Sometimes you have to patch cracks on brass instruments. If I can find a new part or can make one, I will do that before I use a patch because patches are usually somewhat unsightly and amateurish looking. But if I have no choice, then I’ll make a patch…but I’ll be a little artistic about it.

For instance, in the above picture, I made a patch on the back turn of a Selmer k-modified trumpet. I cut the patch into the same diamond shape as the braces. While the patch is still obvious, it looks a little better than just throwing a regular oval patch on the crack.

The most useful patch technique I’ve used so far is making a patch that completely circles the cracked tube. If you do it carefully, you can sometimes end up with your patch looking like it was originally supposed to be there.

Can you see the patch?


my lathe

Here’s my south bend 9c bench lathe. This is how it looked when I got it. It’d gone through a fire and then was sitting outside for months so it was a real mess. I’ve been restoring it for the past couple of months and I’m almost finished. Here’s a sneak peak of what it looks like now:

It won’t be long before all the parts are reassembled and I have myself a nice working lathe. Best part is it only cost me about $450 for the whole project. That’s a steal for a good lathe. I can’t wait to start using it to make stuff.

Bach Trumpet Modification

I added an amado water key to my bach strad trumpet on the third valve slide. Originally, to empty the water, you’d have to pull the entire section of tubing on the end out. Now, I can just press the little button and do it much faster. Some people don’t like modifying their instruments and generally I’d agree but in this case, it’s such a small modification with such a big benefit that I made it. Trust me, when you’re playing a musical, down time is at a premium so being able to do anything quicker is always a benefit.

How you might get an apprenticeship in band instrument repair

Do you want to work at a glamorous bench like this?

Then read on my friend!

So how do I find someone willing to teach me repair?

First, you’ll need to find someone that does repairs in your area. That’s a no-brainer right? Well, it’s easier said than done. Like I’ve said previously, there aren’t many instrument repair people in the first place… and just because a music store sells horns, doesn’t mean they fix them in house.

If you don’t know a repairman yet, go online and find one. It shouldn’t be too hard to find a repairman in your area using Google. Check out their website and you can probably find their contact info. Then all you have to do is send them an e-mail to get the ball rolling.

What do I say?

It’s a well known fact that most people enjoy talking about themselves. Repair techs are no different. Most repair people are more than willing to share information about their field with anyone who’s interested. If you send an e-mail or call (I prefer e-mail because it’s less invasive than a phone call but that’s just me), I would start by simply asking for advice on how to get into the field. You might ask if you could come into their shop and talk to them face to face about it. With the right line of questioning, you could end up getting yourself an apprenticeship but a word of warning: Don’t be pushy. (which should be obvious if you have any people skills)

I met my boss at a jazz festival my university holds every year. All the local high school jazz bands come to play and be taught by the college professors. My boss set up a table where he was doing free repairs on the kids instruments at the festival. (a great PR/advertising strategy). I had already found out some information about repair online and I was actually planning to visit a repair school in a few weeks but I figured that the more advice I could get, the better. I went up to the repair table and started talking. We chatted for a bit about repair and what it was all about. He even offered to let me come to his shop and mess around a little with my own instrument if I wanted using his tools. I told him that would be great and thanked him and left. When I got back to my dorm later that day, I wrote an e-mail to him thanking him again for his time and my interest in taking up his offer to see his shop. It wasn’t until I had already come back from visiting the repair school out west that I received an e-mail from him. In it, he invited me to have lunch with him to discuss repair and the possibility of an apprenticeship. That’s how I got into the repair business.

I’m sure your experiences will vary. You have to do a lot of this people stuff by feel and it’s hard to give advice without being in a situation myself. I was lucky! I happened upon someone who was willing to teach me repair. But it isn’t all dependent on luck.

The way I approached the situation was probably more responsible for getting the apprenticeship than luck. Being respectful and genuinely interested in someone is key. Too many people today think things are owed to them. They think they’re special and go around expecting everyone to give them something without giving anything in return. Don’t be like those people, especially if you’re trying to get someones help.

Well, that’s my rant for the day. See you next time. Oh, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask me!

So you want to be a repair man?

There seems to be a fair amount of interest in learning band instrument repair among musicians. Especially with saxophonists…not sure why; maybe because their horns are more mechanically complex than other horns? Anyway, if you happen to be interested in learning the band instrument repair trade, this post is for you!

There are two ways to get into the band instrument repair trade: Going to a repair school or apprenticing. A combination of both is also a possibility.

Repair Schools

If you went to a repair school you would be taught the basics of each instrument. You’ll learn how to do re-pads and adjustments on woodwinds and you’d learn dent work on brass instruments. Those are the fundamentals of repair and the majority of the work you’ll do in an all around shop. Some schools may delve slightly deeper into repair; possibly doing finish work, making parts, or other things.

Repair school programs are no longer than two years and the time you spend actually learning repair varies between schools. Badger State Repair, run by Ed Strege in Wisconsin, is a 9 month program that consists entirely of hands on repair training. At the other schools you have to complete a normal associates degree program that includes math, English, and anything else a normal community college would require you to do to graduate.

When you leave the repair schools, the knowledge you have should be sufficient to get you hired at least somewhere, probably the big chain stores like Sam Ash or Music and Arts. However, without more training and on the job experience, you will be severely limited as a repair tech.

I believe the main reason many people choose repair school is because it is the only option to get started in the trade. Apprenticeships, especially with good repairmen, are extremely hard to come by for a few reasons I’ll explain later. If you can’t get an apprenticeship, then repair school is really your only option.

Repair school information can be found here:


The other option is being trained by a senior tech in an apprenticeship. In this situation, you would work in a shop under the supervision of a repairman while you learn. Unlike many unionized trades, the band repair business has no set rules or regulations concerning training. This means that whatever you learn, if you get paid, how much you get paid, etc. is entirely up to your boss.

There are a lot of benefits of apprenticing that the repair schools can not offer. For one thing, you actually get to do real work. Whether the horn be a rental or a customers, you are working on an instrument someone will be playing at some point. I think that is a nice morale booster to be able to say, ‘I worked on that horn and someone is playing it now’. When you know someone needs that horn to work, you make sure you do a good job. If it was just some classroom example, who cares if it works or not? No one will ever play it anyway.

Cost is also big factor in learning the trade. To attend the repair program at Badger State Repair it costs $16,000 at last check. That doesn’t include anything other than some basic tools and the actual training; no lodging, no food, no nothing. I don’t know the specifics about the other schools, but assume they are comparable to other community college tuition rates + the cost of your tools. In the cost category, an apprenticeship wins hands down because it’s free and you might even be paid a little while doing it if you’re lucky.

The most important thing about an apprenticeship is that you will be trained one on one. If you find a great repairman to teach you, you can learn much more than any school could teach you in the same period of time. If you’re ready to move onto a new topic, you can because you won’t be held back by classmates who aren’t there yet. Conversely, if you need more time on something, you won’t be rushed. This way, you will learn what you need to and not miss things that you might with a schools schedule.

There’s one major obstacle inherent in training in an apprenticeship: Getting an apprenticeship. Instrument repair technicians are not like car repair technicians; there aren’t thousands and thousands of them, there’s maybe 3-4,000 instrument repairmen on Earth. (you’d think I’d be paid more) And out of those, there are few and far between that are actually worth learning from.

Even if you do find a good repairman, he has to be willing to take on an apprentice! Good repair techs are busy. If they take an apprentice, they lose time repairing and that means lost money. If you turn out to be a good repairman, it’s worth the time for them because now they have a skilled employee they know can do the work to their standards of quality.

Just a closing

Now you should have a fairly good idea about the ways people get started in the band instrument repair trade. As you can probably discern, I’m a big proponent of apprenticeships and not so enthusiastic about the repair schools. I was trained in an apprenticeship but I’ve visited a repair school and have met techs trained in repair schools. In my experience, the apprenticeship is the way to go if you can find one. My next post will talk about ways to find those elusive apprenticeships. If you’re interested, come on back to The Horn Kicker and read it then.

Red rot looks like this

Here’s some red rot on the leadpipe of a Bach Stradivarius trumpet:

Bach trumpets are great horns, the standard, but they are known for their rotting lead pipes. If you clean your horn regularly you won’t have a problem but if you don’t, well, you get what you see in those two pictures. Once it starts, the lead pipe is finished and you need to replace it. You can have it patched, and it might last for a while, but you’ll have to bite the bullet in the end.

Dent work

How do you get this…

…to this ?

You call me! But how do we repair people do that?

The simple answer: We push the horn back into shape using a bunch of different metal sticks. It’s not rocket science, it just takes the right tools and enough experience to know when to do what. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not easy…and there are some great repairmen who can take it to something close to an art; but let me fill you in a bit about removing dents.

The most common dent any type of horn gets is the bell dent: Saxophones, trumpets, tubas, trombones, french horns, anything with a bell will probably be dented at some point.

If the bell dent is easily accessible we’ll probably only have to use a mandrel (tappered metal rod) and a roller (metal tube on a stick the rolls on ball bearings). These two tools, as well as most other dent tools, are held in a vise while we push and pull the horn over them until the metal is where we want it.

votaw tool dent roller

I won’t describe all the processes involved in removing dents because it’s tedious and if you aren’t a professional repair tech, I don’t advise trying unless you aren’t worried about destroying your horn. There isn’t much information about dent work out there, probably because you’d never be able to adequately write directions to successfully remove a dent. Dent work is something you have to be taught in person and a lot of it is trail and error; it reminds me of learning to draw.